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| Auteur: | erikveldkamp [ 23 aug 2004 21:23 ] |
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Ik vond wat interessant leesvoer op de Trumpetherald, hij heeft een goed verhaal als je hem zo hoort spelen. Met Maynard als voorbeeld kun je ook niet fout denk ik (qua lucht). Auteur is Scott Englebright van (www.tasteebros.com) Fast vs More Many people who play the trumpet never seem to grasp the concept of 'faster air' and 'more air'. To most, the two are synonymous. Most of us have heard others referring to them interchangeably. However, in order to play well, you must be able to make the distinction between velocity and volume. It is well known that faster air creates higher notes. Without getting into physics, playing high basically boils down to how fast your lips are vibrating. Remember when you would blow up a balloon, squeeze the open end, and create that obnoxious squealing sound? Well, your lips basically work the same way. The greater the tension, the faster the vibrations and the higher the pitch. Since the balloon isn't concerned with tone clarity, it's not bothered with getting a tight, squeaky sound. When we play by creating faster lips vibrations, it's imperative that we focus on speeding up the vibrations WITHOUT changing the lip tension. If the lips change, typically so does the clarity of sound. Now, for those of you who are still in the dark, let's take the next couple of chapters and discuss the terms 'faster' and 'slower' air. When you hear people mention faster air when they play, they are usually referring to higher notes. As stated above, the faster the air, the faster the vibrations, and the higher the pitch. When you inhale a full breath and blow through the horn to play, you probably don't think about the little, important things that can make playing easier and more fun. If you are going to think one thing, make sure it's the amount of air you inspire. The less air you have to use, the worse you will sound and the more difficult playing will be. Now, when you think of faster air, think of how your face is formed just prior to blowing out a match. Got it? Now, without changing the resistance you feel when you blow, form your normal embouchure by reforming your lips. After that, take in enough air to blow out a cake full of candles and play your horn. Hopefully that made things a little clearer. Now that you understand 'faster', let's discuss 'more' air. When you breathed as you did to blow out the candles, you probably realized that there is only one way to fill your lungs. An important thing to remember is that what is important is 'what' you do with the air you have inside. If you take in a lot of air and aren't efficient at exhaling to play the trumpet, you won't see results. Also remember that you usually don't have to think about breathing at all. You have to think and concentrate when you breathe to play a wind instrument!! Now that you have taken in air and have formed your embouchure, try playing the loudest note possible. To play louder, you have to use more air. Make sense? It should, but that's not the whole story..... Since there is only one way to breathe in, isn't there only one way to breathe out? Well, yes and no. When playing the trumpet, you know how versatile you can be by playing louder, softer, higher, lower, or any combination of these. How can this be if air simply comes in and goes out? Well, it was stated earlier that what you do with the air inspired is of utmost importance. When you played that loud note earlier, what would have happened if you used a little more air? That's right, you would have played a higher note. Let's figure this out. When you play a note, your aperture (the little hole that air goes through to vibrate the inner part of your lips when you play) should only vary slightly. If you don't change the size of that hole and you use more air, that air becomes faster air. Let's look at your ordinary garden hose for comparison. When you cut on the water with your garden hose attached, the water may travel 3 or 4 feet out. If you were to attach an open nozzle with a much smaller diameter, the water shoots out much farther. Now, think about playing the trumpet using your air in the same way the water travels out of the hose. When you cut the water all the way up (force out as much air as possible), the water travels the greatest distance (your range ascends). When you cut the water down (use less compression to force out less air), the water doesn't go as far out (your range descends). Think of each note that you play having it's own little 'level' or stair. When you play a constant, steady note, you are on a certain level. If you keep using more and more air without changing the size of your aperture, you hop up to the next stair or the next higher note (open, 1st, etc...). When you use more and more air, your note gets louder and louder until the breaking poinit (next partial note up). If you use less and less air, the note gets softer and softer and eventually hops down. If you use too little air (or not enough air to stay on that certain 'stair'), you drop down to the next note. What if you wanted to play a softer high note on the trumpet? Well, the system remains the same, but on a much smaller scale. As stated earlier, the aperture should only vary slightly. If you close the aperture slightly (much like the aperture of a camera or the iris of your eye increasing and decreasing the pupillary space to regulate the amount of light hitting the lens), less faster air will travel through creating a softer high note. ---------------------------------------- The whole idea is to NOT change the aperture size. You will need to increase the force that you use when you contract the muscles around your mouth to support the increase in air speed/volume. But, the end result is that you have hopefully done everything necessary to NOT change the aperture size. If someone tries to push you over, you push back (Newton's third law of motion). The point is you *compensate* to remain standing. The same thing can be done to NOT change your aperture. Basically you use the muscles in your face and the abdominal muscles to play the trumpet. The more you rely on your abdominal muscles, the easier playing will be, the more power you will have, the higher and lower you will be able to play, the better your pitch (constant) and you won't get tired. Increasing the lip tension will usually cause problems (poor sound). I said USUALLY! So, don't cry and start screaming if you are the one in 1,000 that uses your face to play and you play well. Again, think of a water hose. It's the same thing. You can't argue with physics. Air and water work in the same sort of way. Just don't cut the water down (keep the flow of air constant as you play). Don't try to rely on your face to do the work! You will only get *so* far with your playing. Set your aperture, support the air with firm corners, and blow like crazy! If everything is in 'order', you will see a difference. However, have patience! You must get coordinated. Count on it not working at first. The more you think about it, the more it will make sense. Air speed increases the number of lip vibrations. The faster the vibrations, the higher the pitch. When you combine an increase in air speed (more air) with even more air (more air than you need), the sound will get louder. When you tighten the lips or press, you are also increasing lip vibrations, but that's more work and it hurt. You can only press so much before your teeth cave in and you can only push the lips together so much before they close off the flow of air. -------------------------------- Rules For Ensemble Playing. 1. Everyone should play the same piece. 2. Stop at every repeat sign and discuss in detail whether to take the repeat or not. The audience will love it. 3. If you play a wrong note give a nasty look to one of your partners. 4. Keep your fingering chart handy. You can always catch up to the others. 5. Carefully tune your instrument before playing. That way you can play out of tune all night with a clear conscience. 6. Take your time turning pages. 7. The right note at the wrong time is a wrong note (and vice-versa). 8. If everyone gets lost except you follow those who get lost. 9. Strive to get the maximum NPS (notes per second). That way you gain the admiration of the incompetent. 10. Markings for slurs, dynamics and ornaments should not be observed. They are only there to embellish the score. 11. If a passage is difficult, slow down. If it's easy, speed up. Everything will work itself out in the end. 12. If you are completely lost, stop everyone and say, "I think we should tune up." 13. Happy are those who have not perfect pitch for the kingdom of music is theirs. 14. If the ensemble has to stop because of you, explain in detail why you got lost. Everyone will be interested. 15. A true interpretation is realized when there remains not one note of the original. 16. When everyone else has finished playing, you should not play any notes you have left. 17. A wrong note played timidly is a wrong note. A wrong note played with authority is an interpretation. ----------------------------------------------- I'm really not out to disprove what someone says or tell people they are wrong when talking about air (I'm sorry if it sounds that way). All I want to do is share with everybody what works for me and what goes through my mind when I play. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else, but I am saying that I am satisfied with the way I play and I feel that if you think about the right things, you, too, can me satisfied. Also, time is definitely a factor so I will try to address as many messages as possible now. If you don't want to read what I have to say and couldn't care less about air, stop reading now! What I like to suggest is that people play a G in the staff as clearly as possible. I belive that the aperture size has a lot to do with sound (along with air). Once you get a nice sound on that note in that register, don't change anything! Many teachers tell their students to press the lips together to play higher essentially closing off the aperture. The tissue inside the aperture is what vibrates. So, if you close it off, you are basically choking off your 'reed'. This will cause your sound to suffer. Pressing your lips together will give you a couple of usable note, but beyond that everything will progressively get tighter and smaller. Once your aperture is set (G), Blow more and more air (tightening your abdominal muscles....blowing out a table full of candles). Narrow=faster in physics. So, your air will be going much faster. Faster=higher. Think about squeezing the sides of a balloon to get that squeak sound. The harder you pull, the faster the vibrations/the higher the pitch. Don't emulate the tension, just the speed of the vibrations. To succeed at playing music you must have a nice sound. That's why it's imperative that you work on sound first so it isn't compromised in any way. Now, when you form your embouchure, you don't want too much tension in the surrounding muscles. Lock them down, but don't make them rigid (forming a fist vs tightening a fist). Too much rigidity = bad sound. So, think about saying 'Mmmmm', tighten the corners, and blow. If you take the work from the face muscles and have them do as little as possible, you won't have 'bad days', you won't get tired, you won't have to use pressure, and playing will be more fun. I think everything is easier said than done. But, with a little practice and understanding, anyone can play anything with little work. It's really easy to get confused when thinking about little details. But, if you look at playing from a distance, everything makes sense. Compressed air creates faster vibrations. The trick is to get accustomed to blowing a lot of air through a little hole. That's all there is to playing. Blowing through a straw the size of your aperture may help. It's a different sensation, but essential. As I said earlier, more = faster through a small hole. The water leaving your house doesn't change, but the speed it leaves the hose increases with a nozzle. I can cover 3 octaves easily by simply blowing more air (while completely concentrating on what is happening) and not changing anything about my head or face. So, I know it works. You just have to get really good at blowing. If it sounds stupid and lame, I am sorry. It works for a lot of people, myself included. You can play high many different ways. But, what I am talking about is complete control of the upper register....and lower register. Let your air do all the work. When I talk about playing high, I mean soft and clear to loud and clear (i.e.'peeling the paint'). What is cool about this way of playing is that if you do everything correctly, a G in the staff feels the same on your face as a G above high C. Your abdominal muscles are much tighter, but the face pressure doesn't change. Now, what is also cool is that when you find the best sounding middle G (i.e.pitch center), nothing changes in your face so the sound of each note remains as clear as the G. I know it may look good on 'paper', but it really works if you concentrate on what you are doing when you play. Many beginners play WAY above pitch center. When they lower their jaw a little, more air can flow through, but more importantly, the tension between their lips is less leaving their aperture more inclined to buzz freely giving them a much clearer sound. This is where a mute (e.g. harmon) let's them find hear where pitch center is on each note. Try playing a note high on the pitch and sticking the mute in. Then, lower the pitch as suggested and take the mute out. You will hear a perfect sound if you find that angry buzz with the harmon mute. This should only be used as a tool, though. The back pressure is capable of forming bad habits in beginners. Then, they should eventually get the way that clear note feels and what adjustments must be made to bring them closer to a more pure sound. Then, they will be able to hear the difference. Again, anyone's arguments or statements about air speed having nothing to do with playing are 'shot down'. When I play I concentrate on what is going on. All I am using is air speed to play. I used to play the other way (focusing on lip muscles, tension, embouchure, etc...) and know the difference. I only got so far and could count on 1 or 2 bad days a week If frequency of the vibrations are predetermined and are all that matter, how do change pitch? You can only create so much tension in your lips just like you can only press your lips so tight. What then? Do you put your horn away and go home? Doing anything to your lips limits your ability. Think about it. However, the tension created in your abdominal muscles is more than enough to play anything. Air creates vibrations at higher frequencies. You can't make the 'lips' vibrate without air. Air is the one qualitative thing that defines what you can do on the trumpet. Again, if pitch = smaller aperture....you can only go so small until you close off. This, without a doubt, is a limitation. Plus, your sound will change if your aperture changes. Maybe I'm just stupid, but it makes sense to me...and it works for me. When I play higher, my corners get tighter. They don't go back, down, up, etc... They just get more firm. This has nothing to do with lip tension. I have thought about it a lot when I play. How much tension would I need to play a tripple C and the C below low C? My face simply doesn't noticeably move when I play the 2 extremes. There are tons of ways to play. There are also easier ways to play and sound good. I associate with some of the best players around and the more questions I ask, the more I find out how similar our ways of playing happen to be. I have worked with beginners to semi-pro's and their range has gone up (sometimes an octave) and their sound improves...and their lower range gets better. It isn't probably that these results are coincidental. I have yet to see a post definitively disproving the concept of 'faster air'. Instead, I interpret the remarks I have read as mass confusion. I hope what I have said helps someone. Good luck! P.S. Again, this is what I do when I play and I'm satisfied with the way I sound. I haven't heard too many people say that truthfully. I may not be better than____, but I like the way I sound and can play what I want. Arrogance? No....I don't think so. Self-confident? Sure! You have to be to play the trumpet! Scott Englebright |
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| Auteur: | bartjefrit [ 24 aug 2004 07:07 ] |
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Lang verhaal... Ik weet niet wat ik van onze Tastee Broers moet denken hoor! Als je de fragmentjes op hun site hoort, heb ik toch niet het idee dat dit ook maar iets met muziek maken te maken heeft |
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| Auteur: | erikveldkamp [ 24 aug 2004 08:15 ] |
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Wat op hun site staat is gewoon een soort uiit de hand gelopen hobby en heeft natuurlijk niets met muziek te maken, dat lijkt me wel duidelijk. Maar deze jongens kunnen wel trompet spelen en het verhaal hierboven geeft wat inzicht in hoe je je ademsteun moet gebruiken. Ze speelden bij Maynards Band en kunnen dus wel een potje trompet spelen. Of je het mooi vind is vraag 2 maar het technische verhaal klopt als een bus. |
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| Auteur: | bartjefrit [ 24 aug 2004 08:19 ] |
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veldkampbrass schreef: Wat op hun site staat is gewoon een soort uiit de hand gelopen hobby en heeft natuurlijk niets met muziek te maken, dat lijkt me wel duidelijk. Maar deze jongens kunnen wel trompet spelen en het verhaal hierboven geeft wat inzicht in hoe je je ademsteun moet gebruiken.
Ze speelden bij Maynards Band en kunnen dus wel een potje trompet spelen. Of je het mooi vind is vraag 2 maar het technische verhaal klopt als een bus. Het technische verhaal trek ik niet in twijfel! Maar vind jij het mooi Erik? |
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| Auteur: | erikveldkamp [ 24 aug 2004 09:32 ] |
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NEE, maar je neemt hun site (en muziekfragmenten) serieus, ik geloof niet dat je hun grap begrijpt. In Amerika is het hard en hoog verhaal nog populairder dan bij ons, zij maken daar een soort parodie op. Het verhaal hierboven is veel interessanter dan hun haynvertolking. Ik heb het hier opgezet omdat er nogals eens onduidelijkheden over lucht en dus trompetspelen bestaat. Zij hebben dat ik ieder geval voor elkaar, wat je er dan (muzikaal) mee doet moet iedereen maar zelf weten. |
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| Auteur: | bartjefrit [ 24 aug 2004 09:42 ] |
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veldkampbrass schreef: NEE, maar je neemt hun site (en muziekfragmenten) serieus, ik geloof niet dat je hun grap begrijpt. In Amerika is het hard en hoog verhaal nog populairder dan bij ons, zij maken daar een soort parodie op.
Het verhaal hierboven is veel interessanter dan hun haynvertolking. Ik heb het hier opgezet omdat er nogals eens onduidelijkheden over lucht en dus trompetspelen bestaat. Zij hebben dat ik ieder geval voor elkaar, wat je er dan (muzikaal) mee doet moet iedereen maar zelf weten. Nou ja, ik moet er inderdaad elke keer weer om lachen, de parodie is in dat opzicht wel gelukt natuurlijk; maar als ik het zo voor elkaar zou hebben qua lucht/trompetspelen, ging ik niet zo'n site in elkaar zetten! |
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| Auteur: | erikveldkamp [ 24 aug 2004 09:47 ] |
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Ik geloof dat ik een keer met hem ontbeten heb, we zaten samen met Maynards band in hetzelfde hotel ergens bij Wenen in de buurt. Maynard was toen toevallig jarig en kreeg een fles wijn van hotel, maar volgens mij is hij vaker jarig dan ik ! Wat betreft die site, iedereen zijn hobby. |
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| Auteur: | Karel [ 24 aug 2004 12:32 ] |
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Ik denk dat het begint met op een zo natuurlijk mogelijke manieren ontspannen in te ademen. Als je al met een bepaalde spanning inademt, zal je uitademing ook niet vloeiend gaan. Op deze manier gaan spiergroepen tegen elkaar werken. Wordt ook wel isometrische spanning genoemd. Als je al gaat denken van; en nu moet ik laag inademen, heb je in feite al een soort spanning. Niet nadenken, maar gewoon ademen dus. Wat Scott Englebright betreft, op www.trumpetstuff.com staan enkele leuke fragmenten van hem. Luister eens naar zijn vertolking van Danny Boy. Ik vind dat hij een mooi geluid heeft. |
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